Greg and Shelly talk Theros, The Great Dalmuti and Curse Of Strand Revamped in our opening news segment! Afterwards, Shelly is joined by Rob Gruber for another edition of How To DM. Rob is the owner and operator of Good Times Games and the creative force behind one of the largest, longest standing in store D&D programs in the world. Our special guest this week is designer, cosplayer and voice actor, Gabe Hicks!

Dragon Talk is executively produced by Greg Tito, Shelly Mazzanoble & Wizards of the Coast. Show production by Lisa Carr & Ryan Marth of Siren Sound. Podcast recording, editing, mixing and mastering by Ryan Marth & Siren Sound


Here’s a guide to when each segment on the podcast begins:

00:00: Intro and news with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble

13:14: How to DM with Rob Gruber

1:01:50: Interview with Gabe Hicks

1:57:33: Outro

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Gabe Hicks

Designer, cosplayer, and voice actor, Gabe Hicks has been in the D&D Community as both a PC and DM. He focuses on emphasizing how to be both a good player regardless of which seat you're in and the beauty of creating new experiences together.

Gabriel has been on multiple different D&D streams and even influenced coming up with new ideas like weather systems or character creation options. He is also a digital designer working on Hidden Treasures which has a lot of inspirations from Dungeons and Dragons. A goblin dating simulator with rolling aspects that mirror D&D has become even bigger than he ever expected. He also hosts Mythic Grove, a streaming channel and place to discover new 5e supplements.

You can find Gabe on Twitter and follow him on other platforms by going to

How to DM:


Rob Gruber

Rob Gruber is the owner/operator and creative force behind one of the largest, long standing, in store D&D programs around the world. The Heroes of Hawethorne kids program and Ladies of Hawethorne women's campaigns have drawn players from 5 to 80 years old and introduced them to the fantasy world of Dungeons and Dragons.

Rob has been a DM for most of his life, starting out first for his friends group 38 years ago at the age of 12 and gradually opening up adventures for his community through his store Good Times Games in Prince Rupert British Columbia. The Heroes, Ladies and summer camp programs at Good Times have been recognized globally as the 2019 GAMA Outstanding Organized Play Program. Not too bad for a little store in a population center under 10,000!

You can find Rob on Facebook.

Your Podcast Hosts

Greg Tito

Greg Tito has had weird and long career as an Off Broadway stage manager, a playwright, a theater carpenter, a secretary, an RPG designer, a games journalist, and now a PR/Marketing person. He has loved Dungeons & Dragons ever since 1985 when he found an old copy of the AD&D Dungeon Master’s Guide on his brother’s bookshelf and he honed that love of fantasy storytelling in the dark streets of Sasserine by way of the Upper West Side gaming group he joined in 2004. He moved his family (wife + two young kids) to Seattle in 2015 to work on D&D and he’s never looked back.

Shelly Mazzanoble

Shelly Mazzanoble will always play a magic-user. There. She said it. Enough pretending to want to break out of her comfort zone. She’s a magic-user. She’s also the brand lead for Avalon Hill and loves talking about that one time she played Diplomacy and SOMEONE (okay, it was Ben Petrisor) stabbed her in the back and took over her beloved Russia. If you enjoy tales of sorcery, board game upheavals, and reasons her 3 year-old is crying (HINT: She tried to make him eat a Nutella crepe), find Shelly on Twitter and Facebook.