Greg and Shelly kick off the show as always with D&D news, including The Wild Beyond the Witchlight and D&D Celebration heading your way September 23rd! Afterwards, Shelly is joined by professional Dungeon Master Beth The Bard for a new installment of How To DM. This week, the pair talk about creating safe spaces for yourself and your players to ensure the entire party can have the best time possible! Our special interview this week is with D&D Narrative Designer and one of the masterminds behind The Wild Beyond the Witchlight, Ari Levitch! For general inquiries or show messages, please email

Dragon Talk is executively produced by Greg Tito, Shelly Mazzanoble & Wizards of The Coast. Show production by Lisa Carr & Ryan Marth of Siren Sound. Podcast recording, editing, mixing and mastering by Ryan Marth & Siren Sound.

Here’s a guide to when each segment on the podcast begins:

00:00: D&D news with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble

06:13: How to DM

37:45: Interview

1:32:29: Outro

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Ari Levitch is a game designer and storyteller for Dungeons & Dragons and a history nerd on his own time. Most recently, he was a writer on The Wild Beyond the Witchlight and wrote "Shemshime's Bedtime Rhyme" in Candlekeep Mysteries. Also, his partner's nephew James says he's a pretty cool guy.


Beth is a professional Dungeon Master and 5e writer that specializes in therapeutic tools, roleplay, and neurodivergent accessibility. She loves horror and whimsy in storytelling. Beth's feminist re-imagining of Curse of Strahd is a bestselling DMs Guild title and actual-play livestream.

Your Podcast Hosts

Greg Tito

Greg Tito has had weird and long career as an Off Broadway stage manager, a playwright, a theater carpenter, a secretary, an RPG designer, a games journalist, and now a PR/Marketing person. He has loved Dungeons & Dragons ever since 1985 when he found an old copy of the AD&D Dungeon Master’s Guide on his brother’s bookshelf and he honed that love of fantasy storytelling in the dark streets of Sasserine by way of the Upper West Side gaming group he joined in 2004. He moved his family (wife + two young kids) to Seattle in 2015 to work on D&D and he’s never looked back.

Shelly Mazzanoble

Shelly Mazzanoble will always play a magic-user. There. She said it. Enough pretending to want to break out of her comfort zone. She’s a magic-user. She’s also the brand lead for Avalon Hill and loves talking about that one time she played Diplomacy and SOMEONE (okay, it was Ben Petrisor) stabbed her in the back and took over her beloved Russia. If you enjoy tales of sorcery, board game upheavals, and reasons her 3 year-old is crying (HINT: She tried to make him eat a Nutella crepe), find Shelly on Twitter and Facebook.