In the opening D&D News segment, Greg and Shelly talk Strixhaven: A Curriculum of Chaos, releasing next week! Afterwards, we welcome back returning guest and author, Teos Abadia, for another edition of How To DM. This week Teos and Shelly chat about patrons. Our special interview this week is with comedian and co-creator of the show Those Who Can’t, currently on HBOMax, Andrew Orvedahl!

For general inquiries or show messages, please email dragontalk@sirensound.coDragon Talk is executively produced by Greg Tito, Shelly Mazzanoble & Wizards of The Coast. Show production by Lisa Carr & Ryan Marth of Siren Sound. Podcast recording, editing, mixing and mastering by Ryan Marth & Siren Sound.


Here’s a guide to when each segment on the podcast begins:

00:00: D&D news with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble

8:26: Lore You Should Know

38:34: Interview

1:37:45: Outro

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Andrew Orvedahl (Or-veh-doll) (he/him) is a comedian and writer as well as a game designer and D&D enthusiast. As a comedian he has appeared on the The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, as well as co-created his own sitcom Those Who Can't, which can currently be seen on HBOMax. He is currently a player in the Spelljammer-inspired D&D campaign stream Better Than Heroes, as well as the co-host of the game master talk show The Dungeon on Twitch. He created his own game design company, Occupied Hex Games, and has released several original TTRPGs to date.

Find Andrew on: Comedy Twitter: @TheOrvedahl | Game Design Twitter: @OccupiedHex | Website:

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Greg Tito

Greg Tito has had weird and long career as an Off Broadway stage manager, a playwright, a theater carpenter, a secretary, an RPG designer, a games journalist, and now a PR/Marketing person. He has loved Dungeons & Dragons ever since 1985 when he found an old copy of the AD&D Dungeon Master’s Guide on his brother’s bookshelf and he honed that love of fantasy storytelling in the dark streets of Sasserine by way of the Upper West Side gaming group he joined in 2004. He moved his family (wife + two young kids) to Seattle in 2015 to work on D&D and he’s never looked back.

Shelly Mazzanoble

Shelly Mazzanoble will always play a magic-user. There. She said it. Enough pretending to want to break out of her comfort zone. She’s a magic-user. She’s also the brand lead for Avalon Hill and loves talking about that one time she played Diplomacy and SOMEONE (okay, it was Ben Petrisor) stabbed her in the back and took over her beloved Russia. If you enjoy tales of sorcery, board game upheavals, and reasons her 3 year-old is crying (HINT: She tried to make him eat a Nutella crepe), find Shelly on Twitter and Facebook.