Tanya DePass (@cypheroftyr) jumps in for a quick chat during our introductions to update Greg & Shelly on the latest happenings on Rivals Of Waterdeep, as well as everything else she's been up to lately! In this week's edition of Lore You Should Know, Chris Perkins gives us a rundown on the criminal syndicates of Khorvaire. Our special guest this week is streamer, writer and co-creator of the TTRPG Safety Toolkit, Kienna Shaw.

Dragon Talk is executively produced by Greg Tito, Shelly Mazzanoble & Wizards of the Coast. Show production by Lisa Carr & Ryan Marth of Siren Sound. Podcast recording, editing, mixing and mastering by Ryan Marth & Siren Sound.


Here’s a guide to when each segment on the podcast begins:

00:00: Intro with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble

19:45: Lore You Should Know with Chris Perkins

46:53: Interview with Kienna Shaw

1:48:34: Outro with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble

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About the Guest:


Kienna Shaw

Kienna Shaw (she/they) is a TTRPG streamer and creator who can be found all over the internet. She's part of weekly livestreams on many channels including Tales from the Grim, WebDM, and Salty Sweet Games. Kienna also writes and designs games, from D&D adventures to indie games across a variety of different systems.

When not streaming or writing, she does community work online, focused mostly on uplifting marginalized voices, researching and presenting TTRPG livestream best practices, and advocating for TTRPG safety tools. This includes the TTRPG Safety Toolkit (co-created with Lauren Bryant-Monk), and the research project D&D and Livestreaming: Audience as Narrative Collaborator

You can find Kienna on Twitter (@KiennaS)

Your Podcast Hosts

Greg Tito

Greg Tito has had weird and long career as an Off Broadway stage manager, a playwright, a theater carpenter, a secretary, an RPG designer, a games journalist, and now a PR/Marketing person. He has loved Dungeons & Dragons ever since 1985 when he found an old copy of the AD&D Dungeon Master’s Guide on his brother’s bookshelf and he honed that love of fantasy storytelling in the dark streets of Sasserine by way of the Upper West Side gaming group he joined in 2004. He moved his family (wife + two young kids) to Seattle in 2015 to work on D&D and he’s never looked back.

Shelly Mazzanoble

Shelly Mazzanoble will always play a magic-user. There. She said it. Enough pretending to want to break out of her comfort zone. She’s a magic-user. She’s also the brand lead for Avalon Hill and loves talking about that one time she played Diplomacy and SOMEONE (okay, it was Ben Petrisor) stabbed her in the back and took over her beloved Russia. If you enjoy tales of sorcery, board game upheavals, and reasons her 3 year-old is crying (HINT: She tried to make him eat a Nutella crepe), find Shelly on Twitter and Facebook.