Greg and Shelly welcome you to the show. Later, Shelly welcomes freelance copy editor and game designer Laura Hirsbrunner for a new edition of How To DM. This week, Laura talks with Shelly about making your NPC’s more three dimensional. Our special interview this week is with the two project leads for Journeys Through the Radiant Citadel, Ajit George and Wes Schneider!

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Show open with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble - 0:00

How To DM - 3:22

Interview - 25:52

Outro - 1:18:39


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Podcast Guests


Ajit George is Director of Operations for the international non-profit the Shanti Bhavan Children's Project. He has spoken at numerous events including TEDx, the International Monetary Fund, and NPR on the topics of education, gender equality, community development, and poverty alleviation. He is featured in the original Netflix Documentary Series, Daughters of Destiny. In the field of games, he has written for a variety of indie companies including Bully Pulpit, Thorny Games, and Monte Cook Games, has organized international collaborative larp events, is a diversity consultant, speaker, and activist. He has most recently written for D&D's Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft and is the creator, project lead, and writer for Journeys Through the Radiant Citadel.

Find Ajit on: twitter @ajitgeorgesb |




F. Wesley Schneider joined the Dungeons & Dragons team in 2019 after nearly two decades of creating games, writing stories, and designing books—usually creepy ones.

You can find Wes on Twitter.




Laura Hirsbrunner is a freelance copyeditor, game designer, and em dash lover. She has worked with publishers including Wizards of the Coast, MCDM, and Twogether Studios, and collaborated on numerous Dungeon Masters Guild supplements. She can't say much about her upcoming projects, but be assured that dragons definitely make an appearance. In her free time, she enjoys mothering her two gibbering mouthlings, playing suboptimal character builds, and whimsically shitposting on Twitter.

Twitter: @laura_hirsb



Your Podcast Hosts


Greg Tito

Greg Tito has had weird and long career as an Off Broadway stage manager, a playwright, a theater carpenter, a secretary, an RPG designer, a games journalist, and now a PR/Marketing person. He has loved Dungeons & Dragons ever since 1985 when he found an old copy of the AD&D Dungeon Master’s Guide on his brother’s bookshelf and he honed that love of fantasy storytelling in the dark streets of Sasserine by way of the Upper West Side gaming group he joined in 2004. He moved his family (wife + two young kids) to Seattle in 2015 to work on D&D and he’s never looked back.

Shelly Mazzanoble

Shelly Mazzanoble will always play a magic-user. There. She said it. Enough pretending to want to break out of her comfort zone. She’s a magic-user. She’s also the brand lead for Avalon Hill and loves talking about that one time she played Diplomacy and SOMEONE (okay, it was Ben Petrisor) stabbed her in the back and took over her beloved Russia. If you enjoy tales of sorcery, board game upheavals, and reasons her 3 year-old is crying (HINT: She tried to make him eat a Nutella crepe), find Shelly on Twitter and Facebook.