Greg and Shelly welcome you to the show and take care of the introductions. Later, Shelly welcomes back author and professor of philosophy, Terrance MacMullan for a brand new edition of How To DM. This week, Terrance speaks on DMing for new friends. Our special interview this week is with host and producer of Making a Monster and freelance narrative designer, Lucas Zellers!

For general inquiries or show messages, please email Dragon Talk is executively produced by Greg Tito, Shelly Mazzanoble & Wizards of The Coast. Show production by Lisa Carr & Ryan Marth of Siren Sound. Podcast recording, editing, mixing and mastering by Ryan Marth & Siren Sound.


Show open with Greg Tito and Shelly Mazzanoble - 0:00

Meet Your Monsters - 5:17

Interview - 26:02

Outro - 1:16:57


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Podcast Guests


Lucas Zellers is the host and producer of Making a Monster, decoding the story and history of monsters in TTRPGs. He is a freelance narrative designer working at the intersection of creativity and ecology. The "monster" project currently devouring his life is Book of Extinction, a bestiary of extinct species resurrected for D&D. His work has already sold thousands of copies on the DM's Guild, where he's known for replayable one-shots and collaborations with a community of diverse and adept designers. He has a head stuffed full of animal facts, a writing desk covered in dice, and a floor covered in dog hair.

Find Lucas on: | Twitter @sparkotter


DR. Terrance MacMullan

Dr. Terrance MacMullan (he/him) is an award-winning educator and author who has loved teaching Philosophy at Eastern Washington University since 2002. The author of Habits of Whiteness by Indiana University Press, Terry writes and teaches on a wide range of topics including Latin American Philosophy, the philosophy of race and racism and pop culture and philosophy. Terry fell hard for D&D in 1982 when he was a kid growing up in Santurce, Puerto Rico and played intensely for a decade. He rekindled his love of D&D several years ago when he became a parent and now loves gaming with tables of all ages and incorporates the game into classes for Philosophy for Children. As the current Chair of the Department of English and Philosophy at EWU, he is a zealous advocate for not only using role-playing to teach philosophy at all levels, but D&D's potential to build community.

Find Terrance on: Twitter @PhilosophyDM |



Your Podcast Hosts


Greg Tito

Greg Tito has had weird and long career as an Off Broadway stage manager, a playwright, a theater carpenter, a secretary, an RPG designer, a games journalist, and now a PR/Marketing person. He has loved Dungeons & Dragons ever since 1985 when he found an old copy of the AD&D Dungeon Master’s Guide on his brother’s bookshelf and he honed that love of fantasy storytelling in the dark streets of Sasserine by way of the Upper West Side gaming group he joined in 2004. He moved his family (wife + two young kids) to Seattle in 2015 to work on D&D and he’s never looked back.

Shelly Mazzanoble

Shelly Mazzanoble will always play a magic-user. There. She said it. Enough pretending to want to break out of her comfort zone. She’s a magic-user. She’s also the brand lead for Avalon Hill and loves talking about that one time she played Diplomacy and SOMEONE (okay, it was Ben Petrisor) stabbed her in the back and took over her beloved Russia. If you enjoy tales of sorcery, board game upheavals, and reasons her 3 year-old is crying (HINT: She tried to make him eat a Nutella crepe), find Shelly on Twitter and Facebook.